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		<description><![CDATA[10:16 Today was horrible walking weather. Groggily stumbling to IJS felt a bit like trying to swim through a sauna. I don&#8217;t even know how late I was getting here, but I somehow managed to snatch the very last energy drink. Yay! Shame I&#8217;m in last row this time &#8230; think we&#8217;re listening to @markostamcar [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>10:16</strong> Today was horrible walking weather. Groggily stumbling to IJS felt a bit like trying to swim through a sauna. I don&#8217;t even know how late I was getting here, but I somehow managed to snatch the very last <a class="zem_slink" title="Energy drink" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_drink">energy drink</a>. Yay! Shame I&#8217;m in last row this time &#8230; think we&#8217;re listening to @markostamcar talking about &#8230; something. Is this the &#8220;<a class="zem_slink" title="Snippet (programming)" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snippet_%28programming%29">code snippets</a> that saved my life&#8221; talk?</p>
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<p>Oh and before anyone asks again, yes, I&#8217;m the guy in a black bowler and no that card is not an Ace. Never an Ace.</p>
<p><strong>10:29</strong> @markostamcar just admited to being a dirty dirty pirate thief. Wonder if anyone from the MAFIAA is here or we&#8217;re all just a bunch of dirty swashbucklers? Interesting code bit, think it calculates a foreign TV guide into local time for torrent browsing.</p>
<p><strong>10:34</strong> Interesting thing I just noticed. Trying to make fancy &lt;?phpconference in a blog title makes wordpress do funny things like simply cutting everything ahead of &lt;? off. Couldn&#8217;t you please just escape it? It felt lovely having it there and now my url is all funky.</p>
<p><strong>10:51</strong> Miha Hribat made a refreshing <a class="zem_slink" title="Commercial break" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_break">commercial break</a> for <a class="zem_slink" title="Igrajmo.se" rel="homepage" href="http://www.igrajmo.se">igrajmo.se</a>, whatever that is. Looks interesting, but the talk will be about caching dynamic content. Hopefully we&#8217;ll all learn something new even though most of us have probably dealt with this before.</p>
<p><strong>10:58</strong> MogileFS is an opensource filesystem written in perl that runs on the application level and, apparently, uses everything from the DB, disk system and some other funky stuff to keep data safe and bloody quick to access. Sounds very nice. And now the more interesting part about memory caching &#8211; the really important thing when it comes to cache. Oh hey, I just noticed a corporate-approved dry joke. Well done!</p>
<p><strong>11:03</strong> Yes <a class="zem_slink" title="Memcached" rel="homepage" href="http://www.danga.com/memcached/">memcached</a>! The greatest thing since caching was invented and of course, all the big names are using it. Been a while since I played around with this thing, should probably try it again. Miha says the biggest object you can store is 1MB in size and since <a class="zem_slink" title="Twitter" rel="homepage" href="http://twitter.com">Twitter</a> complained about having a problem with one of their important objects exceeding 1MB I&#8217;m concluding twitter uses memcached as well &#8230; oh hey I didn&#8217;t know memcached will only keep things for at most 30 days.</p>
<p><strong>11:35</strong> Anze Znidarsic will be talking about abusing flash+php to make rich internet applications. And he just received a raging applause for giving us a 15 minute break <img src='http://swizec.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  Win.</p>
<p><strong>11:54</strong> Anze is talking about Flash on the internets, what we can and what we cannot do. Personally I hope flash dies a quick death and we shouldn&#8217;t be abusing it to do new things like we did with pdf. Sure it&#8217;s difficult to make things work the same in every browser, but we don&#8217;t HAVE TO. What we need to do is teach users that things won&#8217;t look the same everywhere, even native desktop applications don&#8217;t look the same on everyone&#8217;s computer.</p>
<p><strong>12:01 </strong>According to what is being said I&#8217;m really going to need to look into this Flex Builder thing. It&#8217;s quite ama</p>
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<p>zing how, apparently, you can just design something in Photoshop, export and then just add some working logic and you&#8217;re done. Looks incredibly simple and like a very fast workflow. Lovely bit is how I can abuse this lecture to pretty much deal away with half the things I could have said on my talk in a few hours. Brilliant! Thanks Anze.</p>
<p><a class="zem_olink" href="http://commons.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:CeBIT_2006_Philips_3D_Display_42_3D6W01_WOW_Richardson_Electronics_KUKFilm_1298_by_HDTVTotalDOTcom.jpg" rel="lightbox[552]"><strong>12:11</strong></a> That is a wonderfully brilliant sample app. Basically a project managment tool for girls. Stores girl_id and her status that is one of &#8220;Done&#8221;, &#8220;to-do&#8221; or &#8220;in progress&#8221;. Today is definitely much better than yesterday was.</p>
<p><strong>14:06</strong> We&#8217;re back from lunch and Mr. Somebody, didn&#8217;t catch his name, is talking about Comet, which is apparently a method for pushing data from server to client and doing it live. This is something I&#8217;ve always wondered about so I&#8217;m about to have my wet dream answered.</p>
<p><strong>14:12</strong> Comet is interesting. Apparently it&#8217;s some sort of reverse Ajax and once more isn&#8217;t a technology in and of itself (just like Ajax) but an architecture design. HTTP/1.1 allows us to do this crap and even though all of this is starting to make a little sense it&#8217;s quite odd. It&#8217;s polling, but not polling, or is it polling? Damn, can&#8217;t wait for the practical demo. (Oh the guy is Mitja Kramberger, cool guy)</p>
<p><strong>14:20</strong> There almost seems to be more problems with Comet than it provides solutions. Interesting. Since I&#8217;m not actually</p>
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<p>understanding a whole lot of this (thanks @<a class="zem_slink" title="Robert Basic" rel="blog" href="http://robertbasic.com">robertbasic</a> for giving that wikipedia link) there isn&#8217;t much summation I can do for you blog readers. Sorry. Or maybe I&#8217;m just not paying enough attention since nervousity is building up &#8217;cause I&#8217;m up next. Whose stupid idea was it anyway to get over public talking anxiety by talking publicly a lot? Idiot.</p>
<p><strong>14:31</strong> Comet on the server is where it gets really interesting. Traditional server software is #fail because you need man concurrent connections and they&#8217;re made to quickly close everything and get on with their lives. Someone should implement an event-based IO, but nobody&#8217;s really done anything yet, working on it, just not done. So when somebody DOES make something, will the web be all buzzy and broken and fubar and odd as it was when Ajax first became popular?</p>
<p><strong>14:35</strong> I was wrong. There are many implementations &#8230; makes me wonder why not everyone is doing this just yet like they did with Ajax? Poor gecko browser support? Developer ignorance? What?</p>
<p><strong>16:00</strong> Wow, I&#8217;ve never had so much fun talking in front of a large crowd for 45 minutes before. Not sure what it was, but I simply blabbed my mouth off. There were even questions when I finished! Yay. Anyhow, seems we&#8217;ll be listening to Tomaž Muraus talking about the <a class="zem_slink" title="CodeIgniter" rel="homepage" href="http://www.codeigniter.com">CodeIgniter</a> framework. @<a class="zem_slink" title="Anze_Znidarsic" rel="blog" href="http://anze.info">anze_znidarsic</a> was right, we should have a large discussion over frameworks and slug it out in the mud.</p>
<p><strong>16:15</strong> Blahblahblah CodeIgniter, blahblah, use frameworks, blahblah, MVC is awesome, blahblah, frameworks are fast</p>
<p>or slow &#8230; this talk shouldn&#8217;t take place as last because it&#8217;s going to stick with us too much and it&#8217;s quite probably one of the less great we&#8217;ve seen these two days. Too bad the organisers can&#8217;t tell in advance how interesting someone will be as a presenter. Not everyone of us is Gašper Kozak.</p>
<p><strong>16:35</strong> Let me give you some quotes from the twitter stream of what&#8217;s going on right now.</p>
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<p>@janhancic zzzzzz</p>
<p>@alesf: I want to know why should I use CodeIgniter not how.</p>
<p>@anzerobida: Codelgniter prezentation is really not interasting:( Just waiting for Android!</p>
<p>@deveti: lahko bi bli kaki praktični &#8220;live&#8221; primeri uporabe codeigniterja &#8230; preveč teorije :/</p>
<p>and so on. Really, <em>really</em> is a shame this will be last. Those five minute quick persentations better be good and interesting.</p>
<p><strong>16:55</strong> Lightning talks now, hope they&#8217;re as interesting as the barcamp ones usually are. First one &#8230; no idea, looks marginally interesting. I like the zen-like slides. Nice and clean, just like <a href="http://swizec.com/blog/debauchery-at-bclj2/swizec/518">my very own barcamp lightning talk</a> a while ago.</p>
<p><strong>17:04</strong> Apparently at the party last night were two gym trainer people and now they&#8217;re here talking about <a href="http://ls-trenerstvo.si/" target="_blank">http://www.ls-trenerstvo.si,</a> and by god that&#8217;s one hot chick on their frontpage. Since I see one of those guys at the gym all the time, and they happen to be aksing about SEO, would be nice if they could be my trainers and I could be their SEO guy. Hmmm &#8230; (that chick is really good SEO by the way)</p>
<p><strong>17:09</strong> <a href="http://www.talcho.com/" target="_blank">talcho.com</a> is a webservice thingy for chatting and even for gameplaying. They&#8217;re supposedly also developing an integrated client for embedding in any website and whatnot. Wonder if they use Comet, should ask when he&#8217;s done talking.</p>
<p><strong>17:13</strong> <a href="http://www.sweetsurveys.com" target="_blank">sweetsurveys.com</a> five minute talk feels a bit silent. Must say I&#8217;m choked to see the guy can&#8217;t type on a mac keyboard, funny. And I am very impressed they have a certificate that actually shows up as green in firefox! Bravo! But a good pitch this isn&#8217;t. Oh well, still seems like a cool enough service I guess.</p>
<p><strong>17:19</strong> This guy is young, very young. But by god he&#8217;s great at just pushing and pushing and pushing his stuff on us. There isn&#8217;t a barcamp he doesn&#8217;t talk at, there isn&#8217;t a conference he doesn&#8217;t talk at. He&#8217;s gotten better and more fluent too, bravo Jan! Bravo! Anyway he&#8217;s talking about <a href="http://ig33k.si" target="_blank">ig33k.si</a> whatever that is. Looks pretty.</p>
<p>I think a few years down the road a shrewd businessman will come out of this curly-haired little dude.</p>
<p><strong>17:32</strong> Awww, I didn&#8217;t win an Android G1. <img src='http://swizec.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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Wet, late and hungry I arrived at the IJS venue where I&#8217;ll be staying all day listening to odd people talking about interesting stuff &#8211; very interesting I hope. Just so you know, I have a valid excuse for being late and missing the event&#8217;s introduction and everything, but let&#8217;s not [...]]]></description>
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<p>Wet, late and hungry I arrived at the IJS venue where I&#8217;ll be staying all day listening to odd people talking about interesting stuff &#8211; very interesting I hope. Just so you know, I have a valid excuse for being late and missing the event&#8217;s introduction and everything, but let&#8217;s not get into that now (just so you know, I didn&#8217;t oversleep).</p>
<p>Right now I&#8217;m listening to Dusan Omercevic, I believe, talking about openID. Don&#8217;t really know what&#8217;s going on since I missed about half his lecture <img src='http://swizec.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><strong>10:23</strong> Currently we&#8217;re discussing what the biggest problem of openID is and why it will never be used as a service but rather as a technology. Apparently the crux of the matter is that users like simplicity and corporations want huge databases of their users. Personally I think this will effectively kill openID, because every site or group of sites will have their own openID and users will still end up having twenty different usernames and passwords &#8230; except they&#8217;ll be called openID&#8217;s.</p>
<p><strong>10:45</strong> We&#8217;ve reached the other portion of this openID talk and it&#8217;s &#8230; not very interesting. A lot of technical stuff, which is just discouraging me from using this protocol. I still don&#8217;t exactly understand why I should. Coding a regular login system is easy as hell, this just seems needlessly complex for probably around 90% web devs out there.</p>
<p><strong>11:28</strong> Very interesting invitation to try along this guy&#8217;s hacking techniques on our websites. Should be useful to test Chlorine Boards. Hope I don&#8217;t do too much damage, &#8217;cause I don&#8217;t have anywhere else to test than production websites.</p>
<p><strong>12:12</strong> Wow I think I need a new pair of trousers &#8217;cause I just shat brix! The methods for doing crazy fun things on other people&#8217;s websites that Gašper Kozak is talking about are downright frightening. The websites I&#8217;m making are very rarely protected against this I must say. Really should pay more attention to security when I&#8217;m doing stuff, yeah sure I&#8217;m s</p>
<p>afe against most php-based problems. But I never even paid attention to these frontend stuffs.</p>
<p><strong>12:27</strong> Lesson learned. Don&#8217;t try to be friendly to users because hackers can easily abuse it and rape you from behind.</p>
<p><strong> 14:17</strong> &#8220;Sad je trenutak velikih odluka! Bolje zivjesti sto godina kao milijunas nego sedam dana u bijedi!&#8221; Yes we&#8217;ve just finished lunch and this is on big screen. BlackBerry won&#8217;t give pictures to mac, will keep trying @<a class="zem_slink" title="Jure Cuhalev" rel="twitter" href="http://twitter.com/gandalfar">gandalfar</a></p>
<p><strong>14:20</strong> Seems I wasn&#8217;t paying attention to the introduction because I have no idea who&#8217;s talking. They look like a tad older gent with graying hair and sexy spectacles. Interesting shoes too &#8230; well he&#8217;s talking about starting companies and whatnot. Can we really not get through a networking event anymore without listening about entrepreneurship (no matter how interesting the topic, it gets old). Recession &#8482; ?</p>
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<p>And yes, still no pictures, the blackberry and laptop aren&#8217;t playing along.</p>
<p><span style="font-family: zemantaDummyFont;"><strong>14:30</strong></span> Switched from <a class="zem_slink" title="Opera Software" rel="homepage" href="http://www.opera.com">Opera</a> to Firefox to keep blogging. <a class="zem_slink" title="Zemanta" rel="homepage" href="http://www.zemanta.com">Zemanta</a>, did you know drag&amp;drop image adding doesn&#8217;t work in Opera? Anyway, the guy described before is Robert Šefman, very suiting name for the topic. Think we&#8217;ve stumbled into the more boring parts of starting a company. I mean, it&#8217;s an interesting topic, but this is minutiae, I&#8217;d much rather listen about the interesting parts. About the guts and the glory if you will.</p>
<p><strong>14:45</strong> To be honest, all this talk about taxes and how bloody confusing all of this is &#8230; hell, I&#8217;d almost rather become a topology mathematician than an entrepreneur. It does make _some_ sense, but very little. Not Robert&#8217;s fault of course, he&#8217;s doing his best to explain this stuff to us noobs, but it&#8217;s just one large brainfuck.</p>
<p><strong>15:05</strong> Back to more technical stuff apparently. Denis Arh will be talking about php cli but unfortunately I have to leave for my midterm. No more live blogging. Buh bye guys, see you at the party.</p>
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